World Cup Wobbles after Covid-19 scare as Aronian and others withdraw; Concerns for Caruana

#50 @thefrickouttaherelol

you are just exaggarating because you love what's going on - a lot of people admit to loving this 'new normal' hence they will invent all sorts of reasons to support it, I certainly don't love it

I have no time nor desire to participate in dishonest discussion, I stated my case, it's self evident enough, - it doesn't require to be genius to realize that if deaths 'due to some new virus' is at or near the age when people were dying anyway, that there is no reason to think that the virus is really dangerous
You can write down any number of health conditions to covid, your imagination is the limit. I was in hospital recently due to broken rib and punctured lung (blunt chest truama) - I had no signs of having virus infection, yet was tested every day while I stayed there (except Sunday). If the test showed positive whether due to false positive or me actually having the disease and I died I have no doubt whatsoever that I would be registered as 'covid death' - and I seriously would have preffered not to. My deaths would have been due to blunt chest trauma which occured largely not due to my own fault - but fault and negilgance of other people.
As to prescribing deaths and health conditions to covid the sky is the limit.
I haven't even heard any goverment or medical professionals deny that it's the case - deny that they are writing down near everbody who died after positive death as 'covid death'.

So your mentioning of 'chopping off heads of grandfather or grandmother' is dishonest, disgusting, and actually shows your true nature - which appears to be pretty vile.
Also I have neither of them - never met any of my grandfathers they all died before I was born, at around age of 50. And all my grandmas are dead for a few years.

I end discussion and won't be drawn into any further. Although I know I will get further dishonest and vile attempts at drawing me into it (more like trying to invalidate clear facts that I stated).

I thought there was a super-effective-no-risk vaccine for this thing and it's been available to all these players.

Literally the only "clear fact" you stated was the average mortality age. That has nothing to do with anything else regarding the virus and disease. The vile one here is you #52 @the_providence. Sorry that I'd like to keep my grandparents alive a little longer.

Words like yours are hurtful and an insult to those of us who have lost loved ones or know those who have lost loved ones due to COVID-19. You are so quick to be dismissive of that - and proud of it - and even go so far as to offend me for my rebuttal. You should feel ashamed for that.

I'm well aware of what broad conditions hospitals are considering to COVID deaths, but that does not mean the clear symptoms of COVID and infections are made up. We had COVID in our home (loss of sense of smell and taste) and it was SCARY. Thankfully none of us were vulnerable to it and recovered, although it was still a painful process to go through.

"I thought there was a super-effective-no-risk vaccine for this thing and it's been available to all these players." #53

I am also wondering about this. Perhaps the vaccine is not available as widely to those in Indonesia. Could the World Cup organizers not have secured funds to make sure all qualified players were vaccinated? I am confused.

Everyone needs to evaluate their own sources of information and data and make their best judgement. If you inherently trust your government and the huge corporations who influence those officials and the news your digesting, I really can't help you no matter what evidence I provide. Any entity with enough money and influence can produce any counter-study, review or article they want. We know the amount of censorship and coercion happening these days is not normal. It should raise the hairs on any critical thinking person in the world right now. It is blatant.

The ultimate question is...what is moral and ethical? What is fact? Ivermectin has proven to be one of the safest medications on the planet, with 4 billion doses administered over decades of on label use. Its inventor won the Nobel Prize for Medicine in 2015. It is offered over the counter without a prescription in most countries around the world. It is dirt cheap. That alone should give you something to think about, ponder and investigate on your own.

The truth will come out in the end I suppose. This will be my final post on the topic. Good luck and stay safe.

I agree ivermectic is a really great treatment for pesticides! I use it on my pets :)

You are right, corporations can fund any study. Most studies are funded either by government or corporations. This is just one reason why ethical guidelines and the peer review process exist. (This has always been the case.)

Case-in-point, this ivermectin COVID-19 study was likely funded by ivermectin manufacturers, which is why it has been withdrawn and redacted. It was peer-reviewed, found to contain errors, plagiarized information, and was likely funded by a corporate sponsor with ulterior motives. Bam! Science at work.

Thanks for bringing up such excellent points in your latest post, #56!

@the_providence #52

How then do you explain the excess death that can be seen with the naked eye from the weekly all-cause deaths (in the US for example)?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistics_of_the_COVID-19_pandemic_in_the_United_States#Weekly_all-cause_deaths

You don't need to be a statistician to see this. You don't need to go looking for subtle and minute effects. It's there, plain and simple and it's staggering. The area under that green curve represents the 460,000+ (conservative estimate) people whose lives have been cut short due to this ugly virus.

Looking at excess deaths cuts through all the things that might cloud your view. It doesn't influence weekly all-cause deaths whether or not one or two (thousand) people only die only "involving" Covid and not strictly "due to" Covid (if you pay attention, you'll notice statisticians deliberately designate confirmed deaths as deaths INVOLVING Covid, when a causal link has not been checked for each individual case in order to be fully transparent about the ambiguity that you call attention to), because – well, it's in the name "all-cause" deaths. All deaths are listed and can therefore directly be compared with the same data from previous years and decades.

Deaths thus possibly falsely attributed to Covid do only (!!!) appear in the "deaths involving Covid" category. They obviously do NOT appear in the weekly all-cause deaths (or rather, they do, they are the background noise, the baseline of humans that would have died in 2020 regardless). If you see an appreciable excess in weekly all-cause deaths, you'll have to explain it.

Looking at those excess deaths (worldwide) in 2020 and 2021 provides very compelling evidence that the last 1.5 years have not been normal. Nothing of the kind is visible in the data from previous decades. The sudden and drastic increase (exponential increase) in excess deaths is typical of highly infectious diseases, spreading through a susceptible (consitent with the assumption that our immune system has never encountered this pathogen, which is explained by the fact that SARS-Cov-2 is a novel zoonosis) and (partially) vulnerable population. The fact that this can be seen internationally points towards a pandemic.

Even if humanity had never developed electron microscopes (to directly image the virus) and discovered polymerase chain reactions (to securely identify it in tests), we would still have noticed this pandemic. From the statistics of excess deaths alone.

I mean, there were times (April 19, 2020) when in the UK more than twice as many (108% excess mortality) people died in a month than expected from the average of 2015-2019 (for the same month). That's ... noticable to say the least. Source: ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid
Please take a good look at those graphs. You can add nearly any country you like.

Pointing out some people who died "involving Covid" might not have died "due to Covid" while certainly true is pretty irrelevant. Plenty of people die due to Covid. It's not Febuary of 2020 anymore. This fact has had much time to be established.

Disclaimer: I certainly don't love the pandemic. I hate this dreadful virus and I want the pandemic to end as fast as possible. But denying it's there does nothing to end it (on the contrary, it exacerbates the problem). Denying it's there just spits in the face of its >4,000,000 victims (worldwide).

@Thalassokrator #58

I explain it by very negative and documented bad effects on health from prolonged and old mask wearing. Isolation, lonliness, depression, increased alcoholism, job loss, financial troubles that result in depression, malnutrition, homelessness, effects on mental health from daily scare stories and the dystopia that has been created, also some people might have died from corona virus, I never doubt that, did you know that people die from common cold as well? Yes it is deadly to some, we never did lockdowns over that, or the flu which also often killed many people.

For one Japan in 2020 did minimal covid measures, they had lowest death ratio in 11 years.
www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2021/02/23/national/coronavirus-japan-deaths-2020/
www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2021/01/10/commentary/japan-commentary/west-japan-coronavirus-response/
How do you explain that?

Again I have no time or interest in arguing, most people I've came across don't ever listen no matter what facts, studies, logic, whatever is stated to them and use dishonest tactics in discussion, hence I think most of them know very well the real state of things, but rather find some personal interest in maintaining this all.

I understand that many people preffer working from home, or homeschooling with remote-school, I think that's definetly part of the future, and much of it won't end even when all the measures are lifted. The problem I see is that there is no guarantee they will ever be lifted. They might in some countries, but might not in many, or even most. The big problem I see is that goverments have taken unseen powers thanks to this, they don't want to relinquish them, over time thus our freedoms will likely erode even further, eventually we might return to times long gone, such as dark ages in terms of freedoms of average person, in fact we might already be there. If you think it's ok now, don't think it will remain like this if you keep supporting all of this. They might have opened some things in UK, but they already told they plan to reimpose measures in the Autumn.
I think we are all going towards totalitarian goverments, that have no interest in well being of their citizens.

This is my last comment now. I know you will see the issue with that - in that you will feel forced to try to somehow ignore what I wrote, and 'prove me wrong' - you aren't interested in honest discussion which could help to find out which of us is in the wrong.

at least everyone has to agree that everyone hates covid right?????

me luv covid cause i get free oreos all the time