I played a game against this player and he went on and off with his engine i know strong players can draw/win against engines easily (maybe not win easily) so how can i get a draw against an engine/ even win?
http://en.lichess.org/WX9qnHEyRA4w i premoved the last move cause i thought it was a total draw. whoopsies.
There must be a way to abuse the fact that an engine never makes tactical, strategical & positional mistakes! But how???
Playing against an engine is really not recommended. Beating it is madness, the engine will abuse you without knowing it.
Use engine to analyze positions instead, is better.
win to engine is almost impossible, but you can get a draw if a solid position is played. Avoid complex tactics and when you can change pieces . do it..
in this game I drew against a cheater, the position was simple and it was difficult to make mistakes.
http://es.lichess.org/vsjtLgsu/blackIts quite simple. An engine does not calculate an endless amount of variations. If you know sidelines that are less favored by the engine it needs more time to calculate that line from start. With a depth of 8 moves it should be possible to find an inaccuracy. The downside is: lets say you play 100 games against an engine and in 1 case it actually makes that specific move on which you are able to force a win. That doesn't mean that you are able to beat a player that turns on the GM in a random position. Funny thing: Just check your common openings with the analysis tool and you will see that the moves change with the time.
I am a software and computer engineer and a win against machine is not impossible, but it depends on some factors - length of game and depth of computer search are two. Also computers work differently when used as analyzers than as players inside time clock limits. Azuaga's game would be analysed as a draw by a computer. Avoiding complex position is great for a human but computer endgame databases have 3 to 6 piece endgames near enough solved, so you wont win in an end-game. Same in the openings, as most machines have opening databases. Unfortunately strong club players of the older generation also have memory of huge opening databases as pre-computer days you needed to study these booklines as at most tournaments you started out sitting in front of Fischer or Karpov or Keane for the first 10 - 15 moves - so trick was get them out of book asap. You will most nearly always be beaten by a stronger player (on his game - ie feeling good and not ill or unfocused in anyway). Those people using computers are not playing you their machine is, but you are learning a lot of chess from the experience (that's how I look at it). I like chess I really don't care if I am beaten online by a human or an machine. In face to face tournaments I see the whites of my opponent eyes - but recent GM cheating by using a mobile phone hidden in the bathroom shows that face to face is not a guarantee nowadays. Wireless earpieces with a helper feeding in moves to the game has also been rumored - humans cheating is rife at most things we even lie to ourselves. Think about cycling, athletics and every other walk of life. So best advice is just enjoy playing chess, your rating will go up and down but Lichess is not a FIDE recognized rating. If you really want to be seen as the best of the best in chess, then face to face tournaments are the only option. I have played club chess for 55 years was trained by a world champ but now play for fun rather than any kudos. Most of my worst lifetime losses in clubs have been to weaker new players where their replies to my moves were unpredictable and totally confusing (ie I underestimated them because they seem foolish in their responses) - so really that is the only method of winning at times as computers have to restart their hash searches if the expected moves are not used as replies - and you doing this is very hard - and if and when you do achieve this level of skill I recommend you play Magnus Carlsen and become a pro player as your knowledge will have reached the highest levels.
Lichess is free, so that helps remove the sting of the potential cheater. If you were paying to join and being cheated your anger would be much higher.
Best wishes and good luck and never given up - and always, always have fun.
tsm-chess
@#1: What makes you think your opponent was using an engine? Doesn't look like it at all.
#6 he goes on and off with his engine was pretty obvious cause he'll jump at some tactics with similar time/ moves. it's inconvenient to type fr me cause my keyboard is jammed
http://ja.lichess.org/forum/general-chess-discussion/proof-that-chess-is-a-losing-game#4Outsmarting an engine won't work, so your only reliable option is to outplay the engine. That means playing really well. Maybe get to 2000 rating first.
You can't beat an engine...
You can draw an engine...
You can't beat the engine for the reason. that it never makes a blunder or a mistake. an inaccuratie but that wont happen all so often this means that it going to be drawn... but if you make a mistake you will be punished and most likely lose
Must I state the obvious? The only way to beat one is to use one!
Have "fun".
